DOJ asks the court to judge LLM training separately from model outputs
The 20-page filing concedes an output can infringe on its own while asking that training be judged apart from it. If the judge agrees, the risk builders carry moves into the serving path, where it can be tested.
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What happened
- The Justice Department filed a 20-page statement of interest on September 1st in the consolidated OpenAI copyright litigation in the Southern District of New York.
- It calls training on protected text highly transformative, because the resulting model learns statistical relationships among words and can perform tasks the original articles never served.
- The government asks the judge to analyze model training separately from any output that reproduces protected expression, rather than letting outputs govern the training question.
- The New York Times sued in December 2023, alleging that OpenAI and Microsoft copied its journalism into products that compete with the paper and can reproduce portions of its articles.
- The brief stops short of blessing every use, saying fair use remains fact-dependent while asking the court to reject a rule that makes unlicensed LLM training broadly impermissible.
Why it matters
- Who has to decide decision A team splitting its compliance budget now has a real choice: corpus provenance paperwork, or reproduction evals and trace retention in front of the weights, which is where a court testing outputs would look.
- Who's exposed exposure Move the test to the output and discovery follows it, reaching prompts, logs and eval traces from live serving rather than a training manifest assembled years earlier.
- What doesn't add up contradiction The Copyright Office concluded in May 2025 that training uses split case by case, so a judge weighing "the government's view" now has two federal positions to choose between.
- What it sets up precedent A filing that binds nobody still hands every later defendant a federal brief to quote on market structure, which is a cheaper asset than an expert report.
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The April 2025 opinion in this litigation already split the pipeline into acquisition, training and output, and said each stage can raise its own copyright question [13]. Those stages are not abstractions to anyone who has shipped a model. Acquisition is crawlers, purchase contracts, and whatever a vendor told you about a corpus. Training is a job that runs once and leaves weights behind. Output is the serving path, where requests arrive and tokens leave.
The government's brief describes training mechanically: copy the works, convert the data into numerical representations, learn linguistic patterns from those representations [6]. That description is doing the legal work. It puts the resulting artifact on the statistics side of the line, which is how the filing gets to "highly transformative" and to tasks the original articles never served [5].
For that framing to survive contact with a plaintiff, one thing has to be true: the weights must not hand the article back. The brief does not pretend otherwise. It concedes that an output can be its own copyright problem when a model reconstructs and distributes protected material, and argues only that such outputs should not decide the training question [2]. The Times has alleged that reconstruction since it sued in December 2023 [7].
This is the allocation a builder should want regardless of who wins. You cannot un-train a model, and a dataset audit run after the fact produces a document, not a control. A reproduction test is a control. Write an eval that prompts for known passages, measure what comes back, keep the traces, gate releases on the number. If publishers have to prove infringement at the output level [12], the evidence sits in a system you already own and can instrument.
Then count the stages: the court named three [13], and the filing argues about only two of them [17]. This brief does not address acquisition at all, and the transformativeness of training says nothing about how the bytes arrived. The government itself says fair use stays fact-dependent and that it is not asking the court to excuse every use [10].
The licensing section is the loudest part. Pay per work, the brief argues, and only the largest technology companies can afford to train, while publishers with the deepest archives collect the largest payments [14]; it calls that a route to oligopoly in model development and a subsidy for established media, and warns that U.S. developers would trail foreign competitors under different IP rules [15][16]. An anti-oligopoly argument filed in support of OpenAI [8] is a shape worth noticing.
None of it binds the judge, who is free to ignore the statement of interest [9]. Two things have to be true before your exposure actually shifts: the court has to adopt the separation, and your serving path has to be able to tell you when it reproduces someone else's text. Building that detection capability is within your control, and it is the cheaper of the two.
What to watch
- Whether the Southern District judge adopts the training/output separation in any fair-use ruling, or leaves the statement of interest unmentioned.
- Whether publishers lean harder on acquisition, the stage this brief does not argue about, in amended pleadings.
- Whether the Copyright Office's May 2025 case-by-case position gets revised toward the administration's line.
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The Justice Department urged the court to analyze model training separately from any output that reproduces protected expression.
- [2]
The filing concedes that an output may present a separate copyright problem when a model reconstructs and distributes protected material, while arguing that potentially infringing outputs should not determine whether the earlier training process qualifies as fair use.
- [3]
The Justice Department filed a 20-page statement of interest on September 1st in the consolidated OpenAI copyright litigation in the Southern District of New York.
- [4]
TechCrunch reported the filing on Wednesday; runtimewire.com lists TechCrunch as its primary source.
- [5]
The government argues that copying written works to train an LLM is highly transformative, because the resulting model learns statistical relationships among words and can perform tasks different from those served by the original articles.
- [6]
The filing says training an LLM requires copying works, converting the data into numerical representations, and using those representations to learn linguistic patterns.
- [7]
The New York Times sued in December 2023, alleging that OpenAI and Microsoft copied its journalism to build products that compete with the newspaper and can reproduce portions of its articles.
- [8]
The filing puts the U.S. government behind OpenAI on the central issue in its legal fight with The New York Times; OpenAI maintains that training is protected by fair use.
- [9]
The Justice Department's filing does not decide the case, and the judge is not required to adopt its position.
- [10]
The Justice Department did not ask the court to excuse every use of copyrighted material; the filing says fair use remains fact-dependent and asks the court to reject a rule making unlicensed LLM training broadly impermissible.
- [11]
The administration's position goes further than the U.S. Copyright Office's May 2025 generative AI report, which concluded that some training uses would qualify as fair use and others would not, depending on the source material and purpose.
- [12]
The Justice Department's position would force publishers to prove infringement at the output level without treating the underlying act of training as categorically unlawful.
- [13]
A federal judge previously allowed key parts of the publishers' case to proceed, and an April 2025 opinion described separate acquisition, training and output stages, each of which can raise distinct copyright questions.
- [14]
The Justice Department argues that forcing developers to pay for every work used in training could leave only the largest technology companies able to build competitive models, while publishers with the deepest archives would collect the largest payments.
- [15]
The brief calls those licensing barriers a route to an oligopoly in model development and says they would function mainly as subsidies for established media companies.
- [16]
The brief warns that U.S. developers would be placed at a disadvantage against foreign competitors operating under different intellectual-property rules.
- [17]
The April 2025 opinion named three pipeline stages, and the filing as reported argues about two of them (training and output), leaving one stage, acquisition, undefended in the brief.
Sources
2 independent publishers whose own reporting we read for this story.
- runtimewire.comTrump DOJ backs OpenAI in New York Times copyright case
1 article · September 2, 2026
- the-decoder.comUS Department of Justice backs fair use for AI training in landmark copyright case
2 articles · September 2, 2026
Topics and entities
Topics
- Training Data and Fair Use
- LLM training data