Terence Tao says automated proof checking is why the AI labs stopped consulting mathematicians
A proof checker confirmed the steps of OpenAI's Navier-Stokes result within days. The argument now running through mathematics is over who explains the 166 pages and who gets the credit for them.
The Scientist · Science desk

What happened
- OpenAI said this week that its AI agents answered the long-open question about the 200-year-old Navier-Stokes equations, finding that they do sometimes blow up, with part of the fluid moving infinitely fast.
- Roughly 10,000 agents ran simultaneously for about 88 hours, and blowups turned up first in the simpler Euler equations after roughly 50 hours, which convinced the team that Navier-Stokes was reachable.
- OpenAI said the agents sent 2.7 million messages and used approximately 130 billion output tokens, and it ran the finished argument through Lean, software that checks every step of a proof.
- Tristan Buckmaster of New York University and Levent Alpoge of Anthropic published a result removing an unrealistic-force requirement for the Euler equations a few hours before OpenAI published its own.
Why it matters
- What it limits constraint A lab that can verify its own output can publish without a mathematician's assent, and Tao's account is that the consultation which used to accompany machine-generated work has stopped.
- What it costs cost OpenAI put a customer's price for this kind of run at $15 million. That price puts the method with whoever owns or can rent that much inference capacity, and outside a department's grant budget.
- Who's exposed exposure Anyone holding unpublished progress on a famous problem is now exposed to a lab pointing thousands of agents at the same construction once word of that progress travels.
- What doesn't add up contradiction Brunton credits the solution approach to human mathematicians while Evans says the agents' trick was genuinely distinct, and which reading holds decides whether this is scale or a new idea.
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Terence Tao at the University of California, Los Angeles says formalisation is why the volume of machine-produced mathematics went up. "Part of the reason why these AI companies have become so aggressive and are outputting so much is because they have formalisation to check their output," Tao said [7]. He said the labs had genuine dialogue with mathematicians as recently as a year or two ago, to help understand and check AI-generated work, and are now pressing ahead alone and "getting all these increasingly meaningless accomplishments" [8]. He has criticised the rate at which results are dropped on academia with no follow-up or engagement as harmful to the field [9].
AI systems tend to produce convoluted arguments. Formalisation can confirm that such an argument establishes a theorem even when it yields no insight [10].
Spread across the run's 88 hours, the price OpenAI quoted for a customer works out to about $170,000 an hour [27]. Set against the output tokens, it is about $115 per million [28], an upper bound on the output price, because the same bill covers everything the agents read from one another.
There is a paper trail behind the construction the agents used. Thomas Hou at the California Institute of Technology and colleagues showed in 2014 how to create a blow-up for the Euler equations, but only for a fluid that was walled in [17]. In 2021 Luis Martinez-Zoroa at CUNEF University and Diego Cordoba found a method that worked for both Euler and Navier-Stokes, dividing the fluid into thin layers and adding the layers up [18], and it relied on a force too unrealistic to settle the Millennium problem [19]. Steven Brunton at the University of Washington said the AI use was absolutely pivotal, and the scale of it interesting and useful, but the solution approach was developed by brilliant humans [20]. John Evans at the University of Colorado Boulder says the agents' trick was ultimately distinct [21].
For fluids, the finding bears on the model. New Scientist's account is that the equations are not perfect [3]. "Every equation is an approximation," Brunton said [2]. The singularity OpenAI describes is a spinning whirlpool that grows longer, thinner and more intense until its swirling becomes infinite, and the proof puts that inside finite time using a finite force [12]. Evans said that "even though it's 166 pages of complicated math, you can actually draw it down to a couple of simpler physical mechanisms" [15], and he thinks AI agents could help build better models of fluid flow [16].
This touches other groups' workflows through priority. Buckmaster said that he and Alpoge had blow-up results for the Euler equations with smooth forcing on Aug. 15, and that on Sept. 3 he received word through Alpoge that OpenAI had caught wind of their progress [14]. In a detailed public statement this week, he said that during a Sept. 6 meeting with OpenAI employees he was issued a warning: "Why would you ruin your career?" [31]. New Scientist reports that OpenAI began work on the problem after getting wind that a pair of mathematicians had made progress that had not yet been published [33].
The slower problem sits in the training pipeline. PhD students are currently often given a relatively low-level problem to chew over for a few years and hone their skills on [26]. "If the world's moving so fast, there won't be anything that they can do slowly because it'll all get done before they finish," Helen Wilson at University College London said [23]. Wilson puts herself in the "a bit terrified" camp [25]. "If there are no mathematicians then those results don't go anywhere. It's just an industry of machines producing papers that nobody reads," she said [24].
What to watch
- OpenAI has said it made "substantial progress" on another Millennium Prize problem; whether that lands with the same publication pattern tests Tao's complaint.
- Whether the Clay Mathematics Institute treats a blow-up built with external forcing as an answer to its prize problem; the sources describe a finite force, and no claim has been submitted.
- Whether OpenAI's account of when it learned of the Aug. 15 Euler result matches Buckmaster's public statement.
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- [1]
OpenAI announced this week that its AI agents found that the Navier-Stokes equations do sometimes blow up, the phrase describing where part of a fluid starts to move infinitely fast.
- [2]
Steven Brunton at the University of Washington says: "Every equation is an approximation."
- [3]
The implication of the result is not that fluids will start misbehaving but that the equations are not perfect.
- [4]
The agents "sent 2.7 million messages and used approximately 130 billion output tokens", OpenAI representatives wrote in a statement.
- [5]
At a Sept. 8 news conference, OpenAI representatives said a similar effort performed by a customer would have cost $15 million.
- [6]
OpenAI ran the proof through a program called Lean, software that checks every step of a mathematical argument.
- [7]
"Part of the reason why these AI companies have become so aggressive and are outputting so much is because they have formalisation to check their output," says Terence Tao at the University of California, Los Angeles.
- [8]
Tao says that as recently as a year or two ago AI companies had genuine dialogue with mathematicians to help understand and check their AI-generated work, but with advances in AI formalisation they are now pressing ahead alone and "getting all these increasingly meaningless accomplishments".
- [9]
Tao says formalisation is a double-edged sword, with obvious benefits but also big downsides, such as the rapid way results are being dropped on academia with no follow-up or engagement, which he has criticised as harming the field.
- [10]
AIs tend to produce hard-to-follow and convoluted arguments; for the sake of only proving a theorem this does not really matter because of formalisation, but for the sake of gaining insight it is lacking.
- [11]
To find the answer, OpenAI used a technique called forcing, giving the simulated fluid a smooth, controlled nudge from the outside.
- [12]
The specific blow-up was a spinning whirlpool that becomes longer, thinner and more intense over time before its swirling becomes infinite, and the new proof showed that this happens in finite time and using only a finite amount of force on the fluid.
- [13]
This week Tristan Buckmaster at New York University and Levent Alpoge at Anthropic published a breakthrough removing that force requirement for the Euler equations and several related situations, and a few hours afterwards OpenAI published its full result.
- [14]
Buckmaster said that on Aug. 15 he and Alpoge achieved blowup results for the Euler equations with smooth forcing, and that on Sept. 3 he received word through Alpoge that OpenAI had caught wind of their progress.
- [15]
John Evans at the University of Colorado Boulder says of the OpenAI proof: "Even though it's 166 pages of complicated math, you can actually draw it down to a couple of simpler physical mechanisms."
- [16]
Evans says AI agents could help make better models of fluid flow in the future.
- [17]
In 2014 Thomas Hou at the California Institute of Technology and colleagues showed one way to create a blow-up for the Euler equations, but their approach only applied when the fluid was walled in.
- [18]
In 2021 Luis Martinez-Zoroa at CUNEF University and Diego Cordoba developed a method for creating blow-ups that worked for both the Euler and Navier-Stokes equations, dividing the fluid into thin layers and adding the layers up to produce a cascade of effects.
- [19]
Martinez-Zoroa and Cordoba's work relied on an unrealistic force being used, which means it would not solve the Millennium problem.
- [20]
"AI [use] was absolutely pivotal and the scale [of it] is interesting and useful, but the solution approach was developed by brilliant humans," says Steven Brunton at the University of Washington.
- [21]
Evans says the AI's trick was ultimately distinct, not just a more powerful repetition of the Martinez-Zoroa and Cordoba approach.
- [22]
OpenAI has already said it has made "substantial progress" on another of the Millennium Prize problems.
- [23]
"If the world's moving so fast, there won't be anything that they can do slowly because it'll all get done before they finish," says Helen Wilson at University College London, about PhD training.
- [24]
"If there are no mathematicians then those results don't go anywhere. It's just an industry of machines producing papers that nobody reads," says Wilson.
- [25]
Wilson says: "I'm in the 'a bit terrified' camp."
- [26]
PhD students are currently often given a relatively low-level problem to chew over for a few years and hone their skills on.
- [27]
The $15 million customer price divided by the 88-hour run is about $170,000 per hour of wall clock.
- [28]
The $15 million customer price divided by approximately 130 billion output tokens is about $115 per million output tokens.
- [29]
The Navier-Stokes blow-up question appears on the list of Millennium Prize Problems posed by the Clay Mathematics Institute, and a solution comes with a $1 million reward.
- [30]
OpenAI set roughly 10,000 AI agents to work simultaneously on the problem for about 88 hours, with 100 of them starting on the related Euler equations.
- [31]
Buckmaster claimed that during a Sept. 6 meeting with OpenAI employees he was issued a stark warning: "Why would you ruin your career?", an exchange he described in a detailed public statement this week.
- [32]
After roughly 50 hours the agents found blowups in the Euler equations, which convinced OpenAI that Navier-Stokes was within reach, and they turned to the bigger problem.
- [33]
OpenAI began working on the problem after it got wind that a pair of mathematicians had made some progress that had not yet been published.
Sources
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Topics
- Formal Verification
- AI for Mathematics
- Research Attribution
- Navier-Stokes existence and smoothness